Teal/ leather sunroof 30k $16500 FL #4991

WillyB93 · Post by **WillyB93** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 7:45 am

dbrennancobra wrote:wait, one question... why did this car get more expensive? wasnt it $16,500? now its more? i guess maybe im confused, or getting this car mixed up with another teal/leather in florida.

It's the same car, I never changed the price on the old thread. He has to get his cut off the sale too, that's part of I'll sell it for you deal. People don't do anything for free anymore.

plumcrazysrt · Post by **plumcrazysrt** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 8:54 am

He did say $17k or slightly less is the number. Still too much. Even with no damage history.

aaronlstiles · Post by **aaronlstiles** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:14 am

I personally think he bought the car from the original owner and never registered it, nothing wrong with that. I don't see the original owner paying to swap out the back glass, and tint the windows just to try and sell it. Heck for a year he refused to pull off the hood scoop and the rear louvers.

But that is just my observation and my opinion. If the car just had some paint work, and still wore all it's vin tags, Id say it is well worth his asking price. But with what has been done, I don't think so.

JohnLynch · Post by **JohnLynch** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:20 am

aaronlstiles wrote:I personally think he bought the car from the original owner and never registered it, nothing wrong with that. I don't see the original owner paying to swap out the back glass, and tint the windows just to try and sell it. Heck for a year he refused to pull off the hood scoop and the rear louvers.

But that is just my observation and my opinion. If the car just had some paint work, and still wore all it's vin tags, Id say it is well worth his asking price. But with what has been done, I don't think so.

Aaron is like Sherlock Holmes of 93 Cobras

aaronlstiles · Post by **aaronlstiles** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:29 am

TTlambo wrote:
aaronlstiles wrote:
TTlambo wrote:Hi,
I am the one handling the sale of this car and I’m going clear up the confusion!

The guy that had the car listed on craigslist is also a friend of the owner, he owns a small car dealership, (2k-4k) type of cars and not his type of clientele. He knew nothing about these cars and wasn’t really trying to sell it, he was just trying to help him out. The car has been just sitting in the back corner of his building for over a year I think. Now about the owner of the car, he is retired and although looking to sell it he is not desperate for money, so these ridiculous comments of the car being worth 13k-14k are crazy!

This car looks amazing and 99% of people out there would never even know that there were repairs done as it looks great and you can see from the pictures!

I must say I have never seen minor paint and body repair get so blown out of proportion! I guarantee you that other cars on this forum have had parts either repaired or repainted and not even told anyone. I know we are all car enthusiasts here and knowledgeable in our own rights but before any keyboard warriors start attacking my judgment and knowledge of repair don’t bother. I have restored plenty of show quality cars over the past 20 years and also owned a paint and bodyshop. I have also have owned over 20+ mustangs and currently own exotics and many other high-end cars Vipers, GTR’s, Shelby’s, etc. Just letting you guys know I’m not some backwoods dumb ass that doesn’t know what he is talking about.

Now about the repairs –
This car has all OEM parts and all are original! The only thing I can’t say for 100% certainty is the bumper cover, if hit I would assume it would have been replaced but no one can say for sure as it is an OEM part? Remember, these cars have stickers for vin.s on the parts and when painted they are either removed or just painted over. This happens all the time and everyone here knows this, so when asking where is this sticker where is that sticker you have your answer, it has paint work done!
How do I know the hatch and the quarters are all original? It’s simple, I looked at it them.

Now granted, the hatches can be trickier to know if replaced but when I had my installer replace the back glass (do to hard water spots and scuffs from the louvers) the original urethane and glass had overspray on them under the molding. Anyone familiar with body and paint knows that the panel has to be painted first before the glass can be installed! The only uncertainty on this car is the bumper cover and if replaced it is OEM and looks great!

Just wanted to clear the air, set the facts straight, and let you guys know that it is a clean car with very minor repair. This is not a 25K-30k mint car but a very affordable driver if you wish, also being one of the last build numbers #4991, it is a bonus!

Thanks for your time and if you have any other questions about the car or need other photos please feel free to call me @ 407-227-9533 or email @ ttaspeedracer@hotmail.com
Lambo, The hatch on this car is not the original, it has an R-dot Vin sticker clearly viisable in your hatch picture, the quarter panel I think has also been replaced, looking at the Hatch jam, I see NO Spot welds in the jam like the driver's side. I think the car is nice, bu you can also see inside the pass tail pipe, the original tip, but the driver side does not have it. I assume it was hit and the tail pipes where damaged. As for the urethane on the glass, Ford DID NOT use urethane in 93, they used old type butel cord on the rear glass.

Now if I an incorrect about any of my observations, please feel free to post up some new pictures of those areas, there is also Teal paint on the gas tank cover. Not a lot but some. You clearly can not compare this car to a MINT undamaged teal car, I stick to my original price of 13k to 14K. The car looks very nice, but has had quite a bit of extensive work. If you sell high dollar cars you know just how bad body and paint work hurts collector cars, again, I think it is a nice car, but I'd pay no more than 14K for it.
Never said anywhere MINT? I have been overly describing these ridiculous repairs. This is not a 300k car so forgive me if this stuff seems petty to me.
When ford had a car come into the dealership and a vin was removed they had to replace with an (R) because a dealership can not print off vin.#'s period. (R) meaning repair or replacement. This was also needed for theft reasons since mustang parts were stolen constantly and the stickers removed. Now, I would not argue that the hatch was or was not replaced because no one but the body guy back in 94 could tell you this! The reason I say this was the original is do to the overspray which I explained clearly earlier. (Yes, on earlier mustangs crappy butel was used). Also, paint and body only increases the value of collector cars it's called restoration especially when done properly, ask anyone that has spent 50-100k on one! As far as the left tip goes I looked at it and it was cut inside of it maybe easier to side on the $10 tip who know for certain but it looks fresh(the cut). To me it looks like the tips were added when the new mufflers were installed but you can debate this in 100 different ways blaming an accident, but again petty. The fact is this is a nice car and this pettiness is ridiculous. No point in being inspector gadget on this car, it was repaired(not extensively either but that's a matter of opinion) and looks good simple as that!

Lambo, I am not saying your car is not nice, all I am doing is questioning what I see in the pictures, I have restored at least 5 93 Cobras, so I know what I am looking for, and as far as it increasing the value, way wrong with that one, a MINT, 70 Boss all original Never painted! is worth WAY more than any S Motor, repainted/restored 70 boss. S meaning Service. If your a Car guy you should know this.

As for your Hatch, The R-Dot stickers only came on Replacement Parts! no one came and installed the sticker, back in 93 and up until like 98, Ford had to put them on all replacement parts. Again, a true mustang guy like you said you are would know this.

As for you Quarter panel issue, I see no spot welds on the Hatch jam, this means someone has replaced the PS quarter panel, Not a guess, Common knowledge about how panels are put in at the factory, I have restored old cars as well, I did my 66 Shelby # 873, It was a Concourse Gold restoration, Not tooting my own horn, just aware what to look for when looking at a car.

As for your rear cover, Now that the hatch and Quarter was replaced, it is hard to think the cover survived, maybe the Original owner wanted new parts, that is possible. I have seen a lot of guys hurt a car, cause they did not want a little filler in a panel.

As for your tail pipes, The passenger side had the OE pipe in it all the way back, the drivers side is Cut about 5 inches in the weld on tip, which means it was damaged.

So if I missed something, or I am incorrect please let me know, again, I like the car, would make a great Driver car for someone, also for you to call these issues Minor or Petty as you would call it. I know everyone looking for a 93 Cobra, wants all the tags in place, petty or not that is just how it is, and until they start reproducing them that is how you tell a 18k car from a 14K car. It is the same as a original Motor Boss 302, to a Service Block Boss 302! One is worth WAY more than the other

Original cars will always Bring MORE money! You cant tell me a wrecked repaired Lambo is worth more than a Mint low Mile original car!

trackpilot · Post by **trackpilot** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:33 am

Yeah i don't believe the "i'm selling it for the original owner" deal. If that was the case then the whole accident ordeal would be A LOT clearer as to what happened since the seller would be in touch with the original owner or we could even call the guy...
Also if a body panel has an R-DOT sticker that means that it has been REPLACED.
I'm sorry that you think our cars are petty because they are not worth $300k. But these are becoming collector cars and any DAMAGE that a car has had WILL bring the value down.

JohnLynch · Post by **JohnLynch** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 9:44 am

How does the Venom taste from our Fangs! Death to Lambos!

vinchez78 · Post by **vinchez78** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:36 am

MAN, Titylambo got FATALITY'D!!!!!

aaronlstiles · Post by **aaronlstiles** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:42 am

No, I have a few lambo owning Friends, and a few Viper Owning friends, and I can tell you, one with wreck or paint history, Sells for TONS LESS in there world.

JohnLynch · Post by **JohnLynch** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 11:57 am

Everyone owns a lambo in cyberspace haha

13GT500 · Post by **13GT500** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:01 pm

Guys I'm not taking anything way from the value of these cars, I'm a mustang guy at heart. Yes, body work and or paint can bring the value down but only for a period of time. Once a car has been fully restored like muscle cars this gets thrown out the window for the most part. (granted this is years down the road)

As far as the price goes yes it is higher now because it is a year older, it increased in value! haha

Truthfully we have a bottom selling price and the rest goes to my son for listing it, I don't need to money (so yes a little gravy on top). I had him list it at what I feel the car is worth and I'm pretty good at pricing. I just hope I didn't list it too low

Look at it this way, when I sell it for more the value of your cars will go up as well, just helping some brothers out!

Mike S. · Post by **Mike S.** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:15 pm

Those UGR turbo Gallardos are insanity on wheels. They pull from 80mph like most fast cars pull from a dig.

-MJS

13GT500 · Post by **13GT500** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:17 pm

JohnLynch wrote:Everyone owns a lambo in cyberspace haha

Not that it matters but call Kevin and or KC owners of Underground Racing, mention Grant and cyberspace will be back down to earth.

I was the first guy to pilot (test) the 240 mph run in the lambo mag. in Miami as well. Understand, I'm a true car guy through and through not just a keyboard warrior that rubs my cars with diapers and uses them to pick up chicks(cant anyway married), I race them too.

Getting off the subject here a bit, but It's sad these days, true car guys are disappearing and just resorting to computers (yes alot cyberspace BS) verses racing and enjoying what Detroit has made for us to enjoy.

13GT500 · Post by **13GT500** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 12:20 pm

Mike S. wrote:Those UGR turbo Gallardos are insanity on wheels. They pull from 80mph like most fast cars pull from a dig.

-MJS

I know this sounds like BS but 200 mph is like a dig.

RollTide93 · Post by **RollTide93** » Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:11 pm

TT you have to understand what site you are on, I understand your points on the car but this is a 93 cobra site and if you navigate to the for sale section you will see that we keep track of most of the cars for sale around the country, so pricing on color/interior, damage, mileage, condition, repairs done by who is kind of our thing. I'm sure you need to get your cut but yours isn't the last one on earth and quite frankly there are much nicer cars with less miles and no damage not trying to get your asking price. And if there is one thing I know and is pretty much common knowledge in the collector industry that a survivor untouched car in great condition brings way more than a fully restored (even back to original standard) car any day, all you have to do is watch a little Barrett-Jackson to see that, and it doesn't matter how old the car is. These cars are getting older and more collectible and people buying them are looking for the same things as the guys looking for older mustangs or A bodies, originality, documentation, and the truth on the car. The fact that you can't pin point exactly what happened to this car and are questioning the repairs is a red flag in my book, and therefore the price comes down, there are guys on here that know WAY more about these cars than I do but from what I've seen over the last 2 years of looking for 93's and only 93's I can tell you that at $17k with no damage at all with 30k you are getting really close to stretching it but you add in the mystery of the repairs and I'm telling you $13-14k isn't an insulting offer, now it may be cause you probably don't deal with these cars very often and your just going by word of mouth or what you have seen some sell for but I'm telling you each car is its own story, GLWS and this is just my opinion, and I do love the build number